i can't imagine he would want to go into the weeds with paul ryan and talk about budget baselines. he'll talk about the kind of narrative, the middle class, the folks that he believes -- >> the ones buried in the last four years? >> i think joe biden really does connect with average voters in a way most politicians don't. and i think it will be tough. >> tony, you and the steelers, man. anything happens to them, and i got to hear from you. >> i have not had a chance on air to congratulate you with the reds. amazing season. >> thank you. they're 5:1 odds. i think the nationalses are slightly above that. but i checked the game is saturday 8:38. i'm so excited because last time i got to the playoffs, remember what happened? they got no hit. i'm like watching it, waiting for a hit. i waited and waited and there never was one. anyway, gentlemen -- go ahead. >> what's that, football? >> listen to you. >> i know you'll have chuck todd on later today, but on this question, if you look at like some of the expectations from the wall street journal poll, on the feelings about the economy and